Let the council convene!

verylowpriority · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

I don't think you need to ban dinky or benny or binky or denny or whoever the f--k he is.....I'm about ready to suggest banning Batdog if he won't stop baiting him. For God's sake, ignore him.

It's not fair to ban the guy when your entire userlist is infatuated with him. Just leave him TF alone.
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jlocke · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

I'm with VLP.

Especially since the 'trip to Tahiti', binky and/or denny has seemed much quieter and has toned-down the Austin bashing.

Leave 'em alone. If trolls can't get a good response, they will move on. If you're tired of them, just ignore them. They WILL eventually go away.

I posted my thoughts about BD hijacking binky's log-in on the Schneekloth thread.

Batdog · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:

I was just posting a response to your post over the Austin forum, jlocke, but I'll copy and paste it here instead. For the record, I'm not in favor of banning anyone (and voted so above). In the case of binky and her socks, I think she needs to stop with the bashing, particularly in the Austin forum. She has committed to doing so, and we should hold her to her word.

Here's the response I was posting:

verylowpriority · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject:

jlocke · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject:

So ban her. My complaint is you posting something that looks like binky posted it.

zambonirodeo · Five for fighting Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 438

BD, you made a reference to having an "ignore" function a while ago. Is this something that this board can actually have? Sure would be nice for lots of people and lots of reasons.

Otherwise, I don't see how you can police behavior if there's no consequences, You pretty much have to let people act like idiots and tell lies, or boot them out for doing so. You pretty much have to let people pretend they are someone they're not or boot them for doing so. And yeah, every time we reply to this person, myself included, it's oxygen. And every time someone replies in a particularly vociferous or mischievous manner, it's even more oxygen. And keeping this person around just to alter their sigs or avatars or posts seems doubly wrong. The "enlightened" policy of not banning someone is a red herring; this could have been dealt with straightforwardly two months ago whether it involved banning or not, but it was more fun to screw around.

Certainly simply being redundant or obnoxious is not a sin on this board!

Batdog · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject:

fins · Fresh meat Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 6

Let me preface this by saying that except for Jason I don't know anyone on this board and my ties to the IceBats are strictly sentimental.
That being said, I am aghast that anyone would consider banning Binky/denny without also considering banning IIYH. I know he's "one of the boys" and all that, but in the guise of MackerFan he managed to insult just about every ethnic and racial and gender group on the planet. I didn't find it even slightly amusing. I thought it was sophomoric and mean-spirited and highly offensive. I see no difference between hiding behind a double-blind screen name and wearing a white sheet over one's head in order to spread hate. Racism is racism and there is no justification for it EVER. Thank God he decided to move on, like the neighbourhood bully who has run out of kids to beat up. I think the group of individuals who were in on the ruse IIYH orchestrated should also be taken to task for allowing it to continue. A simple PM to IIYH to knock off the racism would have been the responisble thing to do IMO. The silly "outing" of Binky could have still continued to everyone's delight, I suppose. Although I found it distasteful, but that's just me.
My vote would be to keep Binky/denny, censure IIYH for his behaviour and encourage the Moderator to use his/her power judiciously in future.

MRice62377 · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:35 am Post subject:

When I got home last evening I couldn't get on the forum "due to heavy traffic". Now that it's freed up again I gotta ask:

BD, did you really hijack someone else's posts. Did you do that? What the hell were you thinking? Someone suggested that you also installed an avatar on another's posts.

Did you install an avatar on anyone else's?
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austinhockeygirl · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:53 am Post subject:

When this forum first began I was delighted because the old board was often a melee. I read this board several times every day, excited we had a place that we could discuss our team, our opinions about our team, and hockey in general. Rather than being focused on talking about the bats and hockey in general, it seems this forum has become a bastion for insults and bashing and harassment and tag-teaming and antagonizing. The posts on this board are often a bit monotonous and are rarely entertaining or noteworthy. I avoid threads with more than two or three pages because it appears the most valuable information is usually in the first few posts on any given thread before "the turn."

Don't get me wrong--I'm all for debating Buch's abilities, Macker's success (or lack thereof) and I'm not opposed to speculations about why he and Hughesy were unable to motivate a team that appeared, initially, to have the skills to get the job done. I am all for us having a difference of opinion and everyone expressing it, though I think it should always be presented in a matter that says "I respect your opinion, but completely disagree." I completely understand that there will be those who intentionally try to bait others, whether it be out of boredom or hate or their idea of what is entertainment. I'm all for those people having their own arena in which they can rip each other to shreds and play games and amuse themselves.

I am completely opposed to participating in that arena myself--either actively as a poster or passively as a reader. I could not care less who Binky, Denny, Meee, etc are, but have grown weary of their comments and baiting just as I have grown weary of those who respond to them. Do I want them banned? Part of me screams yes, but then I realize that the list of people who have participated in their form of "entertainment" and who give the Binkys/Dennys/Meees credibility has grown long over the past month or so, so should we ban them all? Of course not.

When this forum began, the consensus, to my understanding, was we would moderate ourselves. We would avoid using particularly slanderous or inappropriate words of our own volition. We agreed we would be respectful to one another while still disagreeing. We would have good natured fun and those who enjoyed more dastardly arguments would keep those separate from other threads about actual topics. Somewhere along the way we veered off our very righteous path and now we land here.

No I don't think we should ban them. Yes I think they have gone too far. But yes I think many of "us" have gone too far as well. If we want any credibility as a legitimate forum for hockey discussions then we as a group need to start acting as such. We need to once again moderate ourselves and keep the actual discussions separate from the trivial banter. I'm not saying that if IIYH and Binky want to have a war of wits they ought not have an avenue for that, but can it be separated so that I, as a more reserved member, can still enjoy great discussion about hockey, hockey teams, management, etc, without having to sift through 16 pages for five posts?

Is there a way we can make this a home for everyone? Or are we not, as a collective, mature and responsible enough to do so?

**Shanny** · The Goddess Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 1509

Great feedback.

Any suggestions for implementation?

I'd be happy to create a "Sin Bin" forum for "wars of wits" and would be thrilled to move such posts out of other forums into that one. Would that be helpful or would I get reamed again for moving posts?

I am open to your thoughts and willing to make changes.

Keep the feedback coming! And...thanks!
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backupgoalie · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:

Personally I think the nuts & bolts is a great spot for a pissing contest. If one doesn't like the comments, including binky's, don't read them. Shanny you could create everyone their own forumn and they would still piss & moan.

MRice62377 · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:06 am Post subject:

You asked for feedback. Ok

I'm not gonna say pot calling the kettle black to describe what's happening. I'm just gonna come out and say this reeks of hypocracy. There's another board you are all familiar with and because of assumptions over there this board was created. The moderator here is doing exactly what was accused of happening over there. Even though it wasn't happening over there. I, personally was accused of tampering with posts when I wasn't even around to visit a computer. Counselor, help me out here. And now over here in the "no holds barred" forum avatars are being installed on poster's posts? A whole post can be edited for the moderator's message instead? If you don't like it--delete it. Don't erase their message and replace it with your own. Exactly what you mistakenly assumed was happening on the other board. Again, I got accused of a whole bunch of crap and I couldn't defend myself because I wasn't even here. Now look at you.

I liken it to you all calling Colorado cheaters but not aknowledging the Bats did the same thing.
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97 · Game Misconduct Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 743

I don't get any of this. I am for not banning anyone, and for not moving any posts (except the spam solicitation posts). I don't see why it is such a problem for anyone to bash Buch/Austin/Chap/Hughes/MacDonald/Virtue or anyone else. I don't see why it is such a problem to have to defend your owner, city, coach, etc.

When did we change the "No holds barred" mantra that we started with?

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binky · Unsportsmanlike Conduct Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 337

I have told all of you that I am finished bashing buch. He was the only one that I bashed. I liked the city, The only thing i said about hughes was he would not be able to turn this team around because i felt they played their hearts out for macker & i truly believe they played to their fullest potential.Hughes did not make them play better as i said.They liked macker so why would they play better for hughs . Nothing against him.Perhaps he will bring a team in that likes him & plays for him.I didn't bash the other owner. I didn't bash the fans.Anything i said was not taken as a debate but became a swearing match. I did not start my posts badly except to talk against buch. you all took this very personally yet you think it was okay to bash the players & macker & not nicely as a debate.I never used racial slurs but was accused of that just because i said buch had a big nose. what word did you all use for macker & the players?Think about that. So now it comes down to banning me because i stuck up for the austin players & their coach. Shouldn't i be commended for that?You all bashed them. So now tell me why you even are considering this. IIYH is off so the only one that is a problem now is batdog because everytime i try to join in the posts he starts something.What does it matter who I am? why do you all care. I choose to hide my identity. Does everyone who posts have to give their personal history?If you wish me to go away so be it but a lot of hockey related thing I have told you have come true & more to come. Just say the word & i'm gone.

MRice62377 · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:59 am Post subject:

Batdog · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:18 am Post subject:

binky · Unsportsmanlike Conduct Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 337

okay batdog. again i say i did not bash the fans only buch, but all the players talk anyway so they don't have to read the board. as for the rink they all were told that it sucked by macker & they came anyway. so that should tell you something. Hughes won't have to tell any of them that because they have mostly all seen the rink now. There was nothing wrong with the other rink except that it costs too much but i blame the leagur for allowing hockey to be moved to the chap.They should have said play in the other rink or get new ownership that can afford the price, or take a year off until you can find one to play in that's suitable for the CHL. So batdog don't accuse me of things i didn't say.

fins · Fresh meat Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 6

Batdog has acknowledged the error and apologized and agreed not to repeat it. That should be enough.
Binky and MikeR have had a chance to voice their opinions - let's respect that right.
IIYH has chosen to leave the Forum for a period of time - I think that is a good thing at this point. Perhaps we will see him again.
So in the end everyone has accomplished whatever it is they wished to accomplish, at least in some small measure Perhaps we can move on.

Before I leave, I must comment on the notion that players might be swayed by what is written on a Message Board. In my experience players look for a Club affiliation first, secondly a decent chance to make the team and actually play, and thirdly a paycheque that will at least sustain them over the season. Whether owner A or Coach B does this or that is not top priority for these guys - especially the young ones. Hockey is a dirty political game - more so off the ice than on. The guys usually sign a contract for one year and based on that year's experience they have they decide whether to stay or move on (when they're not being traded for a bag of nuts that is!)
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to express my opinion.

binky · Unsportsmanlike Conduct Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 337

Well said & you're welcome.

blackbiscuit · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject:

binky · Unsportsmanlike Conduct Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 337

bb why do you want me gone? Have you taken over where CA & IIYH left off? the new town bully?

blackbiscuit · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:

97 · Game Misconduct Joined: 11 Feb 2007 Posts: 743

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binky · Unsportsmanlike Conduct Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Posts: 337

I toldly agree. What about what IIYH & CA said about some of the players? What if they read that. They were talking about their own players. What would they think of the fans in austin reading that?Players don't go to a team based on a chat line.
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Batdog · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

I toldly agree too. *snicker*
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